Deo Gracias!

Adam lay i-bowndyn,

bowndyn in a bond,

Fowre thowsand wynter

thowt he not to long
And al was for an appil,

an appil that he tok.

As clerkes fyndyn wretyn

in here book.
Ne hadde the appil take ben,

the appil taken ben,

Ne had never his lady

been a heav’ne bride.*
Blyssid be the tyme

that appil take was!

Therefore we mown syngyn

Deo gratias!


*I changed this line. I get to. I have the internet and I am a Protestant .


  • What do you, as a Protestant, find offensive about the line “been a heve’ne queen”? It seems to me that, despite the typical Protestant reticence concerning the praise of Mary, the saints are spoken of in scripture as “reigning with Christ.” Since Mary, “blessed among women,” was chosen for the highest of all high honors–to bear the very God-man, Christ, it seems fitting enough to call her a chief (i.e. a “queen”) among the saints.


    • I feel the ice under my shoes when you say that! If she is a queen and she is in heaven, reigning with Christ, and she is higher than us in her sainthood, then why not just worship her, too? I worship the King and I do this through his Queen, the Church. It is biblical to say that the Church is the Queen, not Mary.


  • The ice may be there, but I’m merely saying you don’t have to break it. We both agree that Mary (a) is a saint, in some sense, and that therefore (b) she is reigning in heaven like all the saints (just as we ourselves also will do when we are similarly glorified). The Bible also does not shy away from hierarchical language with respect to holiness–some are holier than others. Christ speaks of “firsts” and “lasts” in the kingdom of heaven. Therefore I see nothing scripturally objectionable about saying that Mary is more honored than others. But I also see no reason to go further than this and say it implies worship of her. There is simply no logical connection between the fact that God honors her and the assertion that man should worship her.


    • There is nothing in what you just said that leads to the conclusion, “Let us call her queen.” My objection is not to hierarchical language or to reigning; my objection is granting her the status of queen, which puts her in the place of Christ’s Bride, not the church.


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